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Gray: I don't remember. They probably did. This was already getting late in the game, as they say. I think the collapse was about to come. I wrote Bumpomov's Dogs. I showed it to Broderbund. They liked it but said it wasn't original enough and they encouraged me to keep writing games and to submit any new ideas to them. I went to sell it to through APX, they were happy to take it. In fact, they were spending a lot of money on promotion at a trade show in San Francisco for Bumpomov's Dogs. They set up a booth with Bumpomov's Dogs running, they got helium balloons with Bumpomov's Dogs logo on it. They were set to sell a lot of Bumpomov's Dogs, so, when I went to the trade show, I got there and the APX guy, they're saying, there have been some changes at APX since we last saw you, which was like a week earlier. They laid off a whole bunch of people. This was the collapse. They'd laid off bunch of people and most of the people I knew at APX had lost their jobs but they'd already paid for this trade show, so they still went through with it. But it was kind of disappointing that this is happening. So, I never earned any royalties at all from Bumpomov's Dogs, even though I saw people purchase Bumpomov's Dogs at the trade show, but they collapsed and then never came through with any royalties.  
 
Gray: I don't remember. They probably did. This was already getting late in the game, as they say. I think the collapse was about to come. I wrote Bumpomov's Dogs. I showed it to Broderbund. They liked it but said it wasn't original enough and they encouraged me to keep writing games and to submit any new ideas to them. I went to sell it to through APX, they were happy to take it. In fact, they were spending a lot of money on promotion at a trade show in San Francisco for Bumpomov's Dogs. They set up a booth with Bumpomov's Dogs running, they got helium balloons with Bumpomov's Dogs logo on it. They were set to sell a lot of Bumpomov's Dogs, so, when I went to the trade show, I got there and the APX guy, they're saying, there have been some changes at APX since we last saw you, which was like a week earlier. They laid off a whole bunch of people. This was the collapse. They'd laid off bunch of people and most of the people I knew at APX had lost their jobs but they'd already paid for this trade show, so they still went through with it. But it was kind of disappointing that this is happening. So, I never earned any royalties at all from Bumpomov's Dogs, even though I saw people purchase Bumpomov's Dogs at the trade show, but they collapsed and then never came through with any royalties.  
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Kevin: So, that was it. That was your whole [inaudible 00:19:14] right there, those four games, right?
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Kevin: So, that was it. That was your whole oeuvre right there, those four games, right?
    
Gray: Yes, that was it.
 
Gray: Yes, that was it.

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